mantagon
07-23 11:02 AM
is in RED.
Thank you for all the responses.
One question remains though that what does it mean when the I-94 says paroled till 3rd March 2009?
Not much, really!
How does one prove the legal status in the country?
Since your wife entered the US by showing AP, her legal status is "Pending AOS" and the proof is the USCIS receipt notice of I-485 that you filed for her!
Thank you for all the responses.
One question remains though that what does it mean when the I-94 says paroled till 3rd March 2009?
Not much, really!
How does one prove the legal status in the country?
Since your wife entered the US by showing AP, her legal status is "Pending AOS" and the proof is the USCIS receipt notice of I-485 that you filed for her!
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a1b2c3
06-16 12:27 AM
I think your best bet would be that your parents apply for visa alone. I believe this will improve their chances of getting visa and once they get the visa then your siblings can apply. Good luck!
I think so too. I think its good to ask the immigration officer why the visa is being denied.
I think its best your parents apply by themselves and leave your brothers out.
When they see so many family members travelling all together for an extended period of time, they smell something. They feel your entire family wants to be out of Indonesia and will apply for asylum.
Another thing to do is to ask for a short duration visa like a month or so. It might help.
And forget abt the elderly granddad. No one will buy all that. Make sure the reasons for coming back are rock solid.
Sorry to hear about this and wish you the best luck next time. Don't give up hope and ask your folks to schedule another appt without delay.
I think so too. I think its good to ask the immigration officer why the visa is being denied.
I think its best your parents apply by themselves and leave your brothers out.
When they see so many family members travelling all together for an extended period of time, they smell something. They feel your entire family wants to be out of Indonesia and will apply for asylum.
Another thing to do is to ask for a short duration visa like a month or so. It might help.
And forget abt the elderly granddad. No one will buy all that. Make sure the reasons for coming back are rock solid.
Sorry to hear about this and wish you the best luck next time. Don't give up hope and ask your folks to schedule another appt without delay.
NyteStarNyne
11-23 12:41 AM
Woo hoo!
Some really great entries here. Good luck everyone :D
Some really great entries here. Good luck everyone :D
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hello
11-29 01:52 PM
Source The OH law firm
The Oh Law Firm (http://www.immigration-law.com/)
10/14/2010: USCIS Pre-Registration Requirement Rule-Making Agenda in Nonimmigrant and Immigrant Proceedings - How Soon?
The USCIS has been pushing proposals to change procedures of filing of nonimmigrant petitions as well as I-485 applications for sometime. The agency placed these proposals on its agenda this year and surely enough, it has initiated the first part of its agenda in its rule-making vault. The agency drafted and has been seeking the OMB approval for proposed regulation to require pre-registration of the H-1B petitions, apparently as part of its business transformation transition program. It appears that the proposed pre-registration requirement in the H-1B petition process may not bring a drastic impact on the H-1B petitioning employers and the alien beneficiaries. However, its agenda for requiring I-485 applicants to pre-register their intents to file I-485 applications regardless of the visa number availability in the Visa Bulletin will have a significant impact on the immigrants because the proposed rule would discontinue the concurrent filing process for employment-based adjustment of status applicants and would require that an alien seeking to immigrate based upon a classification that is subject to numerical limitations must be the beneficiary of an approved immigrant petition prior to proceeding through a revised adjustment of status process. In plain language, it means that it would terminate the current I-140 and I-485 concurrent filing procedure. The agency justification was to streamline the overall I-485 process and to mitigate visa retrogression through improved estimation of immigrant visa availability. This proposal is still in the vault of the USCIS rule-making agenda with the initial estimation of the proposed rule initiation action in October 2010. We have no information as to whether or not the agency will keep this schedule or will rather turn it over to FY 2011. Whether it initiates sooner or later, it will not have an immediate impact on the foreign workers seeking a green card as the rule-making process will drag into months to come in year 2011. But this is something one has to keep an eye on the development of the USCIS schedules of changes in application procedures. For the reasons, this site will closely monitor the agency's movement from here on. Please stay tuned to this web site for the development of this news.
Any news on this?Will they give EAD?
The Oh Law Firm (http://www.immigration-law.com/)
10/14/2010: USCIS Pre-Registration Requirement Rule-Making Agenda in Nonimmigrant and Immigrant Proceedings - How Soon?
The USCIS has been pushing proposals to change procedures of filing of nonimmigrant petitions as well as I-485 applications for sometime. The agency placed these proposals on its agenda this year and surely enough, it has initiated the first part of its agenda in its rule-making vault. The agency drafted and has been seeking the OMB approval for proposed regulation to require pre-registration of the H-1B petitions, apparently as part of its business transformation transition program. It appears that the proposed pre-registration requirement in the H-1B petition process may not bring a drastic impact on the H-1B petitioning employers and the alien beneficiaries. However, its agenda for requiring I-485 applicants to pre-register their intents to file I-485 applications regardless of the visa number availability in the Visa Bulletin will have a significant impact on the immigrants because the proposed rule would discontinue the concurrent filing process for employment-based adjustment of status applicants and would require that an alien seeking to immigrate based upon a classification that is subject to numerical limitations must be the beneficiary of an approved immigrant petition prior to proceeding through a revised adjustment of status process. In plain language, it means that it would terminate the current I-140 and I-485 concurrent filing procedure. The agency justification was to streamline the overall I-485 process and to mitigate visa retrogression through improved estimation of immigrant visa availability. This proposal is still in the vault of the USCIS rule-making agenda with the initial estimation of the proposed rule initiation action in October 2010. We have no information as to whether or not the agency will keep this schedule or will rather turn it over to FY 2011. Whether it initiates sooner or later, it will not have an immediate impact on the foreign workers seeking a green card as the rule-making process will drag into months to come in year 2011. But this is something one has to keep an eye on the development of the USCIS schedules of changes in application procedures. For the reasons, this site will closely monitor the agency's movement from here on. Please stay tuned to this web site for the development of this news.
Any news on this?Will they give EAD?
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SU1979
10-09 12:37 PM
I came to the USA on 3rd November, 2006 in company A. I did not work a single day in company A. I joined to company B on 17th January, 2007. I have no idea how my employer filed my H1B in company B without any paystub. I joined to company C on 24th July as they started my GC process right away. My H1B with company B and C are still pending. Company C has filed my labor on 31st August and got approval on 11th September. I am planning to file I-140, I-485, I-765 and I-131 together. So my questions are:
1) Is there any possibility to get denied/RFE for my GC as my last two H1B are still pending ?
2) What are the risks to be considered if I go back to my country and come back on AP as I don't have a visa stamp on my passport ? I am from a non-retrogressed country.
3) I heard that it takes too much time to bring spouse here if I marry after GC approval. I am planning to go back and marry and come back but don't want to bring my future wife on H4. Will it help me later to avoid unnecessesary waiting time to bring her here once my GC is approved ?
I shall be thankful to you to get my answer.
Thanks & regards,
SU1979
1) Is there any possibility to get denied/RFE for my GC as my last two H1B are still pending ?
2) What are the risks to be considered if I go back to my country and come back on AP as I don't have a visa stamp on my passport ? I am from a non-retrogressed country.
3) I heard that it takes too much time to bring spouse here if I marry after GC approval. I am planning to go back and marry and come back but don't want to bring my future wife on H4. Will it help me later to avoid unnecessesary waiting time to bring her here once my GC is approved ?
I shall be thankful to you to get my answer.
Thanks & regards,
SU1979
gc_chahiye
10-29 11:11 PM
Hi,
I got my EAD one day before my H1 expiration. What do I need to do if I want to work on EAD and what form do I need to fill and provide to my employer. As currently my Attorney messed up my H1 status. He sent my H extension to a wrong service center i.e. California and they sent the application back saying they no more process H extensions and we need to apply to a different service center i.e. Vermont. My H expired on 10/11/07 and my Attorney received the H documents back from California Service Center on 10/26/07.
As I asked my Attorney to send the H extension to the right service center with a proof of that he applied on time but was sent to the wrong Service Center. As I don't want to abonden my H status.
My only worries are what if H extension is not approved in that case what will happen to my 485 and EAD i.e. valid from 10/10/2007-10/09/2008. What will be my options then. As I don't want to take any chances specially at this stage. Please advice what to do in this case as my Attorney looks like is not that smart.
Need some advice as to should I just start working on EAD and not wait for the H extension response or should I wait for the response.
Any feedbacks are appreciated.
Thanks
first of all, your EAD and 485 are not impacted by any of these H1 mix-ups from your lawyer. So relax.
You can start working on EAD now and wait for the H1 approval to come through. Whne it does come through, youll need ot leave the US, get a visa stamp and come back in to activate the H1 (if you need H1 status for some reason like you are unmarried and will need to bring spouse on H4).
If you are really paranoid, stop working right now and do the H1 in premium processing. If USCIS grants the extension of status (you get new I-94) continue working on that, you are all set. Otherwise at that point you can start on EAD or leave-get_stamped-return, whatever you want.
To move to EAD you need to file a new I-9 with the employer.
I got my EAD one day before my H1 expiration. What do I need to do if I want to work on EAD and what form do I need to fill and provide to my employer. As currently my Attorney messed up my H1 status. He sent my H extension to a wrong service center i.e. California and they sent the application back saying they no more process H extensions and we need to apply to a different service center i.e. Vermont. My H expired on 10/11/07 and my Attorney received the H documents back from California Service Center on 10/26/07.
As I asked my Attorney to send the H extension to the right service center with a proof of that he applied on time but was sent to the wrong Service Center. As I don't want to abonden my H status.
My only worries are what if H extension is not approved in that case what will happen to my 485 and EAD i.e. valid from 10/10/2007-10/09/2008. What will be my options then. As I don't want to take any chances specially at this stage. Please advice what to do in this case as my Attorney looks like is not that smart.
Need some advice as to should I just start working on EAD and not wait for the H extension response or should I wait for the response.
Any feedbacks are appreciated.
Thanks
first of all, your EAD and 485 are not impacted by any of these H1 mix-ups from your lawyer. So relax.
You can start working on EAD now and wait for the H1 approval to come through. Whne it does come through, youll need ot leave the US, get a visa stamp and come back in to activate the H1 (if you need H1 status for some reason like you are unmarried and will need to bring spouse on H4).
If you are really paranoid, stop working right now and do the H1 in premium processing. If USCIS grants the extension of status (you get new I-94) continue working on that, you are all set. Otherwise at that point you can start on EAD or leave-get_stamped-return, whatever you want.
To move to EAD you need to file a new I-9 with the employer.
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hopefulgc
07-20 02:04 PM
One has 2 pages the other has 4 pages
Shouldn't really matter.. unless the IO is anal about it..
I would send in a G325A along with a cover letter stating my full name, SS, alien #, if any, just to be safe.
Shouldn't really matter.. unless the IO is anal about it..
I would send in a G325A along with a cover letter stating my full name, SS, alien #, if any, just to be safe.
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asanghi
02-09 12:39 AM
USCIS has been sued by Citizenship hopefuls for a reason which applies to us all. The process took longer time than expected.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/02/08/BAG7QO1AN18.DTL
What if we sue USCIS, if not USCIS then some other Fed agency. Least of all, it capture the nation's attention that IV badly needs and make it a mainstream issue just like illegal immigration.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/02/08/BAG7QO1AN18.DTL
What if we sue USCIS, if not USCIS then some other Fed agency. Least of all, it capture the nation's attention that IV badly needs and make it a mainstream issue just like illegal immigration.
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ivar
02-07 09:46 AM
IVAR congratulations once again to you and your family, enjoy the green and free life to the fullest now.
Teddy,
Thanks for all your support, you are doing a great job by keeping the predictions thread alive, it gives lot of hope to everyone and encourages to hang on. I wish everyone will get there soon.
Teddy,
Thanks for all your support, you are doing a great job by keeping the predictions thread alive, it gives lot of hope to everyone and encourages to hang on. I wish everyone will get there soon.
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greencardvow
08-03 07:23 PM
Please close this thread.
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pdakwala
06-26 12:20 PM
There is expected to be another vote on Thursday evening to move towards limiting the debate on the Bill and a final vote is expected to be by Friday.
The bill have got more than 60 votes on the cloture motion. Under the "CLAY PIGEON" maneuver the likelyhood of this bill passing from the senate is very high. In order for this bill to pass it needs only 51 votes.
So IV membes please get ready for the fight. We will need members to be active for next few days and weeks. May be months.
The bill have got more than 60 votes on the cloture motion. Under the "CLAY PIGEON" maneuver the likelyhood of this bill passing from the senate is very high. In order for this bill to pass it needs only 51 votes.
So IV membes please get ready for the fight. We will need members to be active for next few days and weeks. May be months.
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smuggymba
03-09 02:36 PM
I guess u need to have an approved labor in EB2 to even think about it. You can't port because you dont have an approved EB2 labor.
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neodyn55
07-30 11:45 PM
If you don't know the answer, please don't reply. Just because this person asked about getting GC through his/ her baby, it does not mean the person is here illegally or if even this person is in the US. I friend of mine died in an accident in Mumbai and he is survived by his wife and two kids (the kids were born here in the US). His wife asked me the same question and after asking my lawyer, I had to tell her that there is no way she can apply for GC through her children unless her children turn 21.
Oh don't be such a sourpuss. This is an internet forum, and the last I checked, there was no forum rule stating replies had to be relevant, to the point, and incredibly boring. What are you, a Hitler wannabe? No one's holding a gun to your head and forcing you to read the replies anyway. If it's that important, then the OP should ask a lawyer instead of posting in a free internet forum.
Lighten up.
Oh don't be such a sourpuss. This is an internet forum, and the last I checked, there was no forum rule stating replies had to be relevant, to the point, and incredibly boring. What are you, a Hitler wannabe? No one's holding a gun to your head and forcing you to read the replies anyway. If it's that important, then the OP should ask a lawyer instead of posting in a free internet forum.
Lighten up.
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jung.lee
03-03 11:56 AM
Hello forum gurus
I am planning on moving from Company A to Company B. I have an approved I-140 from Company A which was approved in Sept 2007 and also applied for 485 on July 2nd 2007. It has been almost 1.5 yrs since I applied for 485 and I-140 approval.
Planning to move from Company A to Company B. Company A will not revoke my I-140 that is for sure. I am moving to a good company with 1000+ workforce and in an upcoming industry. It is not a consulting firm. It is a product based company. My wife is currently on EAD and is relying on it to work.
What are the odds that my AC21 may be wrongfully denied. I am having a hard time sleeping while thinking about this. I am on my H1. Can she still use her EAD while we file a petition for Motion to Reopen in the event that the 485 is wrongfully denied or does she have to change to H4 immediatly.
Can some one share your thoughts.
thanks in advance
See the below linked forum post for a relevant discussion:
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=320990&postcount=4
Also, see this document I posted on Scribd:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/12822387/485vsH1b
I am planning on moving from Company A to Company B. I have an approved I-140 from Company A which was approved in Sept 2007 and also applied for 485 on July 2nd 2007. It has been almost 1.5 yrs since I applied for 485 and I-140 approval.
Planning to move from Company A to Company B. Company A will not revoke my I-140 that is for sure. I am moving to a good company with 1000+ workforce and in an upcoming industry. It is not a consulting firm. It is a product based company. My wife is currently on EAD and is relying on it to work.
What are the odds that my AC21 may be wrongfully denied. I am having a hard time sleeping while thinking about this. I am on my H1. Can she still use her EAD while we file a petition for Motion to Reopen in the event that the 485 is wrongfully denied or does she have to change to H4 immediatly.
Can some one share your thoughts.
thanks in advance
See the below linked forum post for a relevant discussion:
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=320990&postcount=4
Also, see this document I posted on Scribd:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/12822387/485vsH1b
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qualified_trash
08-28 10:08 PM
What's needed is a pithy powerful message
do you have any better ideas for a pithy and powerful message?
Would be great if we can find a better way to get through our problems and frustrations.
we ARE professionals and dignified individuals
some of us are here working for more than 8 years
Is it dignified to keep working for more than 8 years without a decision on our pending cases?
We dont seek it as an entitlement
Once again, to anyone who read the original thread that started this one, we are not claiming entitlement to getting a green card, but is it unreasonable to claim entitlement to a decision on already pending applications within a reasonable amount of time?
8 years is not reasonable.
And for the right to free speech on this forum, I wonder why the original thread was closed by the administrator.
Is this IV's way of saying they do not support the boycott idea?
Then why not state this explicitly?
Otherwise, clearly the idea is controversial enough to get mixed reactions, and maybe by leaving it up a better idea can come out of it.
IV's work is good and should not be undermined, but maybe we can supplement it by additional ways to get a powerful message across.
how about contributing money to IV? that will help more than stirring up a hornet's nest about boycotts etc.
as far as powerful messages go, what more powerful message can there be than having a bill or two passed that can help us. with the necessary support from its members, I am confident that IV can deliver.
do you have any better ideas for a pithy and powerful message?
Would be great if we can find a better way to get through our problems and frustrations.
we ARE professionals and dignified individuals
some of us are here working for more than 8 years
Is it dignified to keep working for more than 8 years without a decision on our pending cases?
We dont seek it as an entitlement
Once again, to anyone who read the original thread that started this one, we are not claiming entitlement to getting a green card, but is it unreasonable to claim entitlement to a decision on already pending applications within a reasonable amount of time?
8 years is not reasonable.
And for the right to free speech on this forum, I wonder why the original thread was closed by the administrator.
Is this IV's way of saying they do not support the boycott idea?
Then why not state this explicitly?
Otherwise, clearly the idea is controversial enough to get mixed reactions, and maybe by leaving it up a better idea can come out of it.
IV's work is good and should not be undermined, but maybe we can supplement it by additional ways to get a powerful message across.
how about contributing money to IV? that will help more than stirring up a hornet's nest about boycotts etc.
as far as powerful messages go, what more powerful message can there be than having a bill or two passed that can help us. with the necessary support from its members, I am confident that IV can deliver.
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LostInGCProcess
08-25 12:33 PM
>> even if she gets a 221(g) at the consulate can she return to US with the AP she has?
Yes. But she may need to use EAD in that case. Please check with your lawyer.
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Not a legal advise.
Okay!! I'll have to ask a lawyer then...But most often I get good answers here in the IV forum, then asking the attorney...sometimes, i personally feel, they are not all that good with answers.
Yes. But she may need to use EAD in that case. Please check with your lawyer.
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Not a legal advise.
Okay!! I'll have to ask a lawyer then...But most often I get good answers here in the IV forum, then asking the attorney...sometimes, i personally feel, they are not all that good with answers.
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mdy_tvr
02-04 06:34 PM
yes, since she has a pending 485 she does not have to worry about status, that pending 485 keeps the status around. She can even file for an EAD.
Thanks meridiani.planum for the response.
Thanks meridiani.planum for the response.
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tnite
06-26 02:35 PM
There is a news in news article thread that Senators Cantwell & Kyl have proposed a amendment which will open up a parallel employer sponsored GC path. Anyone has information regarding this amendment?
If I am not wrong that amendment has been changed considerably.
the new amendment states that Employer abased GC will be phased out in 5 yrs and then merit based kicks in
H1B quota for US Master's Grad is 40K according to the amendment.
If I get the link I will post it
If I am not wrong that amendment has been changed considerably.
the new amendment states that Employer abased GC will be phased out in 5 yrs and then merit based kicks in
H1B quota for US Master's Grad is 40K according to the amendment.
If I get the link I will post it
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serg
04-06 11:18 PM
that's the official title of the bill, nothing wrong with it.
they still have a cloture motion vote tomorrow morning, so we'll see.
Yes, sure, I'm not going to give up until it will be clear. By the way, they will have almost a night to make some agreements (sure, they don't want to be "last mile" in this bill, both of them). Hope they will bring out something new tomorrow morning :)
they still have a cloture motion vote tomorrow morning, so we'll see.
Yes, sure, I'm not going to give up until it will be clear. By the way, they will have almost a night to make some agreements (sure, they don't want to be "last mile" in this bill, both of them). Hope they will bring out something new tomorrow morning :)
ramus
06-11 12:16 PM
Seems to me you joined IV for then a year now..
Can I ask you simple question.
What is your contribution towards IV.
Contribution could be in any form-- fund/invite friends/send email to reporters/ and so on..
Please answer here to we all will know.
Mr. Sanju,
We are all aware of what going on at the Senate floor and also about the ammendments that put forth on the floor. So my question is clear anc simple what ammendment is supported by CORE IV and what are we looking for.
Because the passing of the current version of the bill will effect all the old cases which many people are in and I wont allow that to happen. I will try my best to avoid this situation to happen. Even though i have a MAster in engineering I will not support SKIL progran that will void the previously pending cases. Good try core IV yto make member to work towards the betterment of few people You know what such people are called" SELFFISH". Guys beware on whaT ACTIONS YOU ARE DOING SO THAT YOU WONT REPENT.
Can I ask you simple question.
What is your contribution towards IV.
Contribution could be in any form-- fund/invite friends/send email to reporters/ and so on..
Please answer here to we all will know.
Mr. Sanju,
We are all aware of what going on at the Senate floor and also about the ammendments that put forth on the floor. So my question is clear anc simple what ammendment is supported by CORE IV and what are we looking for.
Because the passing of the current version of the bill will effect all the old cases which many people are in and I wont allow that to happen. I will try my best to avoid this situation to happen. Even though i have a MAster in engineering I will not support SKIL progran that will void the previously pending cases. Good try core IV yto make member to work towards the betterment of few people You know what such people are called" SELFFISH". Guys beware on whaT ACTIONS YOU ARE DOING SO THAT YOU WONT REPENT.
benbear
11-09 09:39 AM
Let me simplify the EB backlog equation:
EB backlog as of Oct31 = 655K�(average lead time for FB approval)x50K/month+50KEB in Oct
Do the simple math, we can get the following table:
Average time for FB approval EB backlog
5month 455K
6month 405K
7month 355K
8month 305K
9month 255K
10month 205K
It is safe to say notice date in Sept equal to receipting by USCIS in Sept, because at notice date, USCIS actually open your file then send receipt.
So,from , EB receipt in Sept vs. receipt in Oct = 2:1
150k in Sept. include both EB(100K) and FB (50K).
(Note: assume received FB every month 50K. 50K is a reasonable assumption,
otherwise it's no way for USCIS to approve 800K AOS a year.)
Since EB in Sept vs. Oct is 2:1, so total EB receipting in Oct. should be 50K.
Out of the 655k total, the key is lead time for FB approval, how many month?
This is the key! If we assume average FB approval takes 6 month,
then EB out of the 655k is 655K-50Kx6=355K.
Add the 50K EB in Oct. Total EB backlog is 405K.
Still the key is average FB approval time, any gurus has any idea.
I am sure the time is not 12 month. If it's 12 month,
then EB backlog= 655K-50Kx12+50K=105k. :D:D:D Which is impossible!!
EB backlog as of Oct31 = 655K�(average lead time for FB approval)x50K/month+50KEB in Oct
Do the simple math, we can get the following table:
Average time for FB approval EB backlog
5month 455K
6month 405K
7month 355K
8month 305K
9month 255K
10month 205K
It is safe to say notice date in Sept equal to receipting by USCIS in Sept, because at notice date, USCIS actually open your file then send receipt.
So,from , EB receipt in Sept vs. receipt in Oct = 2:1
150k in Sept. include both EB(100K) and FB (50K).
(Note: assume received FB every month 50K. 50K is a reasonable assumption,
otherwise it's no way for USCIS to approve 800K AOS a year.)
Since EB in Sept vs. Oct is 2:1, so total EB receipting in Oct. should be 50K.
Out of the 655k total, the key is lead time for FB approval, how many month?
This is the key! If we assume average FB approval takes 6 month,
then EB out of the 655k is 655K-50Kx6=355K.
Add the 50K EB in Oct. Total EB backlog is 405K.
Still the key is average FB approval time, any gurus has any idea.
I am sure the time is not 12 month. If it's 12 month,
then EB backlog= 655K-50Kx12+50K=105k. :D:D:D Which is impossible!!
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